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well the depends on which part of the speech. mrs helmer has totally. the speech was in part a reflection of the coalition's priorities and beliefs about the european union. as was my speech in berlin not tobar which had many of the same themes. but the part of the piece that was about what we will do after twenty. the problems of speaking for your conservative party. and those you can imagine and that parts the input from the foreign office came from the front extra time of foreign affairs spoke of the conservative party as well as a foreign secretary of the united kingdom. and so officials were not involved in any of that part of the speech but they were of course able to give advice on those parts relative. relevant to and representing government policy in this government and you didn't warn him that the regional date of the speech was the same day as the and he's a treaty meeting. well there are a range of dates for that for you can fact.
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it is fairly early that he came in with same i thought they were actually chosen and. one of the other day friday the job of course of the committee knows when the algerian hostage crisis intervene. so we moved it to the wednesday. stead. the. it's to pays. that there will be an inept referendum and. this is taking place. it's going to be drafted before the general election. and it would take place. of the general election if there is a conservative government to what extent in the front office who evolved in the drafting of that legislation over the next two years. well that is to be determined the proper decision because since it's got anything that involves a huge amount of. official work. but we will involve the front office to the extent that is appropriate and that in pre-election arrangement of course they will be required to work on arrangement in the event of any politic
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winning. mean. general election. so i imagine that will fit within that. but we will do that in any appropriate way. what you are asking your fish will use to work on the in perhaps office and. and here. what's to what extent has the speech change things what is news that you're asking of issues now to look at that they wouldn't be doing. they hadn't speech then taken place. well they're working and working on those all those aspects of government policy reflect in this speech and all our other utterances and fall of it as you know your brain cancer taking place this weekend with the negotiations on the multi-channel financial framework. discussion the same council on trade and to some extent on foreign policy. where have a link up a far left further the phone of counsel and you. on the full range of global issues that were discussed within the you.
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and we're very much engaged in driving forward the single market. so the key principles of the prime minister speech can think i'm pensiveness flexibility. are absolutely ones that. officials are working on all the time. that is part of the coalition government approach. they are mentation of the referendum commitment the problems ago is for the conservative party and. and a future. parliament. and officials of that time subject is whether it's the government that really hasn't made much difference. and this is where they would have been doing anyway. well the key difference in the process peter's a statement about what we will be doing in the few tower. will approach in the future and shaping that debate. for the future. but it doesn't change the work of our officials are single market. on all the issues that on them ok no time frame a favorite politics the european parliament has just voted on earlier today in a direction we can approve of for a change.
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and it doesn't change my work on these things you mention the coalition in which the democrats don't really support this proposal is that cause problems in preparing this policy. well it is of course a hybrid speech. in that sense. but they have a figure parliamentary term. although i don't think that's unusual in the run up to normal in a single particle much closer to the general election. of course it's more likely to arise in a coalition i think in a mature democracy will understand that but it hasn't called bad difficult. preparing and it does mean the discussions about what the prime minister proposing to do after that trying to fifteen. general election. are of course this goes to a mom i was looking at the cup. bound wouldn't be a new it wouldn't be unusual if the conservative party was in government on its own first first to do
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that about what we will do in the next parliament and case meaning handle. simplicity. here you begin by saying. pharmacists come back congress to work for. because i think that's a commitment. which is pretty well show. on all sides of that mountainous question at does the corporate memory of the fallen officers recall the circumstances in which how liberals. and they only nineteen percent of the moment jim talent. wet dry and the capitals of europe. see renegotiation as of and came back. and then a bit like they have imposed clothes. has a very it said they're offering to make. and as a consequence. many people believed that the opportunity. that had been taking was more of a device to deal with the internal difficulties of his own pocket than it was something in the public interest. well i'm sure the coverage does get fact that found. in addition my personal memory.
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just goes back and laptop and. i think we would all have to relive circumstances of a very different to your faces the that triple challenge the triple crisis if you. like a prime minister was describing. all the facts of the crisis only e.u. is a hold of maintaining its competitiveness in the global race that wasn't taking place in the same way in the ninety seven to all the growing gap between the institutions. and the citizens of the member states. these are all factors that are present today were not present in the nineteen seventies. and they are pretty new so relatively easy as it then was relatively new. and now it's a mature. institution facing these multiple crises and with other people advocating treaty change
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and that's in the report of the so-called of the for president simpson commission president barroso this blueprint for the future all of these calls for treaty change for other reasons. and so they. they and vironment the scale of the crisis the requirements of other nations to bring about change in the old much more intense than in the nineteen seventies when it was simply a matter of a bilateral renegotiation. but i don't think anybody hurt the countries you mention have embarked up all. a process which was later there's not a referendum. mike i hear that. for example from soldier on the baltic states. like everywhere else. they have recommended a because of being referendums in many other countries on recent treaties of the last decade when we won the british people have been in my view wrongly. denied. referendum. so people in other countries have had the opportunity to make that judgment but not all of her base.
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no not on an hour basis but as you well know something well known was german from campaigning for an aphorism of the last general election from a liberal democrat party. that is a level of body of opinion in favour of african-american. well i don't think comparison to manifest destiny was not i think take this very thought can just talk about the progress here. and which of these two approaches. is the one that you think is correct. is it right to say well here is that is a difficulty. we'd like to help fight away from that this process is taking place. the number of things we want to break or. it is that is the position that you are a sense of trouble. we're not going to help. unless you examine these other issues just we think to them as a painting of which are the senate.
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will create a perception that the british government will get. which of these is get the purpose of these is a perfect example of a carrier of the good. much more of the performance of those two and to look at the negative and all of that. and practice. look at the recent negotiations concluded just descend on the rules of the european banking. about this is just out of the so-called banking union. proposals in the e.u. and our approach to them is. well we're not going to block the block changes that you present this one but we do want our own interests to be a safe government in the case in a new way. and so we ask for something which initially. quite a few member states would not think about what happened. and saddam out restructure he was instrumental in them.
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it was part of the negotiations on the support of the treasury team in their excitement and we asked for a new procedure. you can have a european banking authority that sets the rules by the normal qualified. majority. but we want as well a simple majority vote. i'm only in the outs of the euro zone so that those islands of the euro zone where in france face current. i'm not as been agree. and may go see it and so the seller. don't do you want to elaborate if i'm getting one one set out the principle that if a number of countries were coming together to sing this to sion. and that is that use it would be around the table. those people with all those hits its members with a near alter my to quantify the job hey i think the point in principle is one that you have to reflect that somehow. by changing the voting which means that there was a new reality being created by that particular proposal and that number changes we need more points are put forth which you can lead than it was about the details.
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but that's another stretch of cooperation. and i'm hardly going to be ok but who can go to get them but ultimately cooperation. yes i just think that that is a brace of the ocean with we don't get what we want. we would leave. well last part of it is just democracy. you know the the the prime minister argued in his speech i think correctly that. democratic consensus has become a way for satan. for the you. and this country. i very much believe that to be true. and i don't think we can deny people forever. i'm not sure anybody anymore and i have come to zagreb they convict people committing a say on that future. and the europeans. and therefore it's better to lead that debate come from than shake that and settle that. that is why the referendum. pledge is important it's not as not a threat it is a.
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it's part of a the value from robust democracy that we have in this country. that interpretation that the governments of foreign soldiers and a person part of this problem. well if you have the government. only for having reacted and of course to a wide range of right. and i didn't even to the proposal we made about banking rules but the chancellor merkel said very clearly. we must of course always discuss the interests of individual countries we are of course ready to discuss british wishes aventura we must find a fair compromise she has reacted in a pragmatic way. and that's true of many other european capitals as well. thank you and you run up for a second he said that. pete credibility of our logistics even the muse ways with him. do you through me that is being way to fit in then ever since. we signed the most strict treaty. without a referendum.
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but there are many kinds of ways of some sale of some differences between us. and so we're probably going to have we could find exactly one way to sit in a sense. arise but it has diminished over all of that i think we have seen series of treated throughout most of them in the east. and of course most importantly lives them weather wise but the man's or a friend of an important held in the coat of mao spectacles. was in the proposals of the pulse of the one the general election of a crack that creative in case of the lisbon treaty. and i was neither a general election in order for i'm for people to be able to give them peace. and i think that was a very on the mind of the democratic leaders of the you and you know the king the liberal your life it is going to be a referendum for five this time for exactly that.
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for it to be a meaningful referendum. he writes that the government today. should be looking at for journalists to be mentoring to look at other alliances with caps the commonwealth. for other paul. so the world we can trade incorporate way and. if the government going to make use of the next four years so that when there is a referendum and every kid will turn it in it's not just a question or be completely out of the. well be clear that the government subject of the prime isn't a sex predator to succeed in arriving at a new settlements and to be able to campaign for prisons to stay in european union. but on the question of other relationships in the world after committing those things i'm neither far out of our approach to foreign policy that we are building up. relations all around the world. some of them in my view long neglected. and maybe we saw during the last year for the first time a long time.
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bigger share of britain's exports go to outside view that you can then inside inside remain fusing posting to the box of stuff to the ship and direction as the world economic growth pattern of economic growth has changed. we are shifting hundreds of diplomats into the asia pacific and latin american regions. opening twenty new embassy consulate itself on the world. we are giving greater importance to come out. but i wouldn't on the committee doing the commonwealth sale an alternative to the european union has many great strengths and opportunism moshe been made of them. and but it is not a count because i don't single market trading block. a similarly united. thoughts on a variety of foreign policy issues of the european union have become so can we have to be realistic.
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could i send everybody to the prime this is the can. whether you can tell us whether he considers the implications of his proposals on on the scene of the best united kingdom. can scotland which has its only sees more than all of the wales. but also people to which of course. this is part of the european union as well. and indeed. the effects of this policy that could have a knock on effect on the other partition. characters and dependence is. well he's sorry he delivered the speaker trying to sleep can leave the conservative politics of the united kingdom in the full was speaking for the whole of the united kingdom. of course of the you close relationship or the doesn't have complex in fact some overseas terrorists but they would be those effects would flow from whatever decision they made here in the united kingdom. back in town. future. and the european union. and certainly the scottish time mention is very important another system of committees with separately.
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and of course there is to be a referendum and cult on the day and any case. on the question or in the comings i suppose that for you could argue the people of scotland will have an effect to referendums on their membership of the vector sum. voting to leave the united kingdom would almost certainly have the effect of leaving the european union. and with the people of gibraltar. have the right to vote in the european referendum as well. well the local rules of referendum sort of stand there for folks in european elections. but not a general election. but there would be the opportunity to amend those rules related to a referendum. before we arrive on a referendum history that for sex. well i'm happy to look at some suggestions which i'm sure. scrolls of no will to make them. he's never been had i think one coming on given the can't resist the comment referendum is a bit like london buses to
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talk at once when my friend had suddenly to go on long after paid time. want to go back to point race quite under wasn't up. about how the relationship. and when except that we kept. was a lot of speculation both inside and out comes a pilot training area. relationship between the you know america is that something from the british government for the moment as anxious. first year. yes. and in fact we are expected shortly after the report of the high level. panel company between the e.u. and united states. how home the subject is something i discussed on my visit to washington last week. and with certainly on a agenda for initial talks the secretary kerry i think has been between the prime minister and president obama doesn't list of course at the top of the enthusiasm of the very hard work of our officials
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and posts around the world actually of implementing more free trade agreement. around the world where you have. of course two years ago concluded the one with south korea which now which political agreement on a free trade agreement with singapore. close to concluding agreement with canada. it is estimated that in the united states free trade agreement could add two to three percent to the of both sides of their lands that apparent barriers are not high but non-tariff barriers all stance on removing those that are very positive economic factors. so this is this is actually a large part of the work and emphasis on this. and as that has gotten between the united states. rather than between the british government in the united states. exhibit whom are you willing as a favor
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and then that little go to see a of such an agreement could crave the competence of a european union that you call it to call impetus to to get to go in and could generate can present a story to explain the case for it to. so the united states that it would be good for them as well bam national governments have to play a big row and. we are doing. and just settle something. i've just said i think it will be able to get that have european council on sunday morning kate. maybe to push the house. thank you not hedrick a foreign secretary. if the prime minister security's requested safeco to send his hoping that nothing comes in the fist and simple. come talk with have been enacted and they need to be. the trees. what it is treated as a referendum under the two thousand. absolutely he was. well black one of the.
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well since the fiscal compact relates responsibilities in the euro zone countries. it was not of implied any transfer power comes to the press the european union however that's not just for governments to time. you know that is a film to the judicial review. have to parliament to agree or not. but i think that is the i'm kind of the assessment. ok. and then each each includes a referendum held on to the terms of the two thousand election. what would you know little things. well a low vote under the kind of this there are those of the right to vicious under the two thousand and eleven. so much a referendum can be held and that can be the new treaty which doesn't transfer new power
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or competence to the you. those also the use of certain provisions. incorporated into the treated by the little trick that some of the past i'll close which could be used with i would say you treat him to the provisions of it and to transfer of power to you. we can pick a referendum under the two thousand and eleven. in any of the save the logo remaining on the kingdom. does not agree that not. i don't ratify a treaty in the systems. or would not cast a vote in favour of the use of a casserole. and second kept the position of the who possibly the u.k. with the answers and. no people my knowledge it depends on the list about the time to time that i could argue that a no vote in a referendum on any individual issues. grey the last question. but it wouldn't make me.
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did it sounds the same status quo or can not even know of the other countries as justified. true. well yes of course the trick they cannot turn tricks are through the streets require unanimity and come come into force without the agreements of holy member states and the committing murders i have been know it's in the country. on referendums on treaty changes. there was a no vote in france now the company for the collector began again and gets well a lot of very well liked in front of a sudden not to ask the question again when we heard similar call live untreated. palin i laid it out across and got a different answer. i wouldn't go volunteer to the minister at the british people the same question again. the legislation that talked about proposed two thousand and fifteen conservative cope with what it means you see in hell's concepts and what it meant to repeal the two thousand and eleven or on nine eleven that it would after the two thousand
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and eleven which i'm pleased to say now house cost our support for has entered into little britain constitution out the united kingdom. but it would ask the two thousand and eleven x. five hope remains in any fault for the long term to pay for em in the past and created out. referendum by the results of that light from the. paid. it's our submission in the competitive partisan. conservative part of the puzzle that have to two thousand lemon act would remain after such a reference. given that the two thousand and eleven ad to say the least. and you know just the beginning of two thousand and thirteen was a prime minister singh said. to introduce a referendum on the treated. no comes after the next general election.
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may know that to trump says a powerless to the a rather than something to well because this is the time most family momentous change in a few pages. and then. and it almost every month and a little many years. and a major crisis as i described earlier and of describing to appear in the public speech. in some of the euro your competitive men. and in democratic legitimacy. and then have to be addressed and we can't take down with the trend this entire thing about in two thousand and eleven as it was dealing with very different from the truman was dealing specifically with a comes to a concert on the program earlier than phrasing that old to the predicted a big pass without the british people ever having their say on those streets. the proposal is the with what happens in the future. how are we going to shave and leave the debate in europe a man has succeeded in winning democratic compan from.
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the terms of the truth though. doesn't act on to the effect that suppose any child spends a part of some placements. to brussels than that to take care of rest and is very restless. that particular statute provision. why you have to be invoked. at the same time as the proposal was being made so and there's another reference the similar goshi a sion. and returned for what might be described as a concession that here was taken by a conservative government of the worst some partners it was willing to terms with that take up the statutory obligations contained in the two cases like an act or because the whole thing's a percent of one package or might put you in the worst case. find ourselves with two reference. well i think that would be for our successes and the next parliament.
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the turning point of a common sense basis for the big come to a new settlement between maine here in the u.k. and around that i think a referendum in a single. but that is. i've been tied up for the next parliament because of the system. thank you don't stand for tech trade for you and your fellow minister has made the policy decision to have an in i'd referendum in five years' time. you can carry out an assessment of the in a skater bold business investment blight. that such an announcement would create. well as a measure of a little that commitment is a conservative party. commitment of a government and other coalition. commitment or government responsibility. it's our view very strong talking to an international businesses that that doesn't create.
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like in fact it's our view it's our outlands that if anything there will be less i'm certain that with the them they approach of never really have a referendum but not having one for the meantime there's of the way of coming from saying this situation and settling this debate. and certainly our family. i was talking for instance who later invested in this country in the united states. last week i did not detect any change in their plans or any lighting. from what we have proposed which is in any case of course dependent on a whole range of factors soundly. whole business environment from the labor market to corporate taxation. it depends on quite a lot of things are exactly what you've got sex the committee is in direct contradiction.
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with the reported. comments. of one of the most successful. and the most experienced u.k. predicts this month on the market stall. and the day after this announcement from a few said this.. our clients are wired. if you do this i'm certainly it's very simple. let's say you build a factory in the u.k. the gestation paris hilton years. you've got car factory up and running. and suddenly u.k. poor dive going top talents. you've got trade barriers suddenly got side europe. back alive. to spend the citizens. or will lose or elsewhere. that is a very significant statement. and i wish the gestures. that is mirrored by many other people in senior positions with decision making capability about peter investment in the. u.k. if that is the risk has committed. of cost of policy. possibly be squared with the government supposed priority.
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to keep economic growth. well there are many different cooks from business leaders. and the ones from business organizations representing thousands of businesses. problem while members. i'm included of the director general this is a directive that the british public in many of our members are skeptical about many of the institutions and practices for you we need to put their doubts to ransom. the c.b.i. director general. said the pm rightly recognize of the benefits of retaining membership of all this paperwork for them to be here. the c.b.i. will work closely with the government to get the best deals. bravery to peddle your terms of commerce. so the prime minister determination to negotiate a new settlement for britain is the right course of action. so i don't think. individual voices count for the same weight of the huge business organizations.
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as far as actually but you know. bringing together two completely separate issues. why was the issue of green occasion better terms which i think is unanimously agreed and supportive in the business community say. and the quite separate issue of having stated that there is going to be an in or out of the referendum in five years time. that's a separate issue i raised quite different this is for the business community. will these issues go together of course because any new settlement requires democratic consent. that is our view in this country given the failure to hold a referendum on a holes. it's a previous treatise. i don't think we can countenance amount of markets. a new settlement with the european union with and democratic come send or indeed. not having any such women would have democratic consent. this have to be faced. so now i want to can argue of course on any basis that any uncertainty.
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that any democratic uncertainty is some of your disservice if you could argue that about the general election doesn't stop us having a general election and eagerly need to hold a referendum on the european union. and many of the business organizations that are close that are supportive of man. and of course we receive and that everything will continue its receivers on cable and we a huge proportion of the foreign direct investment that comes into the european union are stated. do you accept the risk of fundamental difference between asking. the british people. whether or not they are happy with the new deal with europe and asking the british people whether they want to stay in europe or come out if not that a fundamental difference and is not the case. what is being promised by the conservative leadership is. and in the or.
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i wrap around it it will be and in or out of reference but not on the basis of an improved settlement with the europeans in our view that is the time to ask that question. some people could argue we should ask that question. now mr baron was probably not given that we should ask that question. now. it's our argument. to ask a look you jim is a change is in your i'm taking place now also fundamental. with reality result of the eurozone crisis the relationship between eurozone countries and other countries are changing an important way. i'm and play opportunity to improve the u.k. relationship with your opinion and laugh all the reasons that i'm describing. and that it is there was a later stage. and we have a better idea of both of those things that we should ask the in or around class. and that's why these things are our little. mark henry. secretary of the.
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yes seals can challenge we encourage more protection optional. the two careers in the e.u. institutions. why should the all bikies person. go to this considerable effort. learning languages. catching any qualifying exam. as a list of his or her. eligibility for a job in the institutions. altogether.. and that matter why should everybody there bother trying to become an m.n.c. well. that are many parts to that question of the european parliament has considerable power to just mention how few hours ago they voted on the middle east policy and sharing the competence of the european council for the first time on fisheries have their powers have been expanded at the same time with reputation and standing helpful. and most surveys of paying for those an important job to become and a european parliament as important don't return in the european institutions.
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the prime minister says have the case in his speech to improve the u.k.'s relationship with you and to improve their whole position of the e.u. in the world where he was not he was including the whole of the european union the reforms that he advocating. so that the e.u. can succeed and britain can succeed. within it. so that he can argue in the future. in such a referendum for britain to stay in the european union. so i don't think you should mean that anybody doesn't contemplate a career. in the european union. i've got another why i want to make the same argument about any general election with any organizations that might change of government. so why people to pursue careers in the civil servants will still be there in the british government. whether it's a labour of it is a stick of them and in the year isn't it the case that britain withdrawing deputy implications for stuffing from the. yes it would but our intention is that we're going to improve the specimen of the mill european union.
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campaign is very mentally european union and i would say we all right to bring any priest. and the number of people go against of the european institutions including of the junior levels as well as important positions within the european external actions service i don't expect them to change. as a result of the prime minister's speech such illnesses that. have you keep active any that. i'm certain people being a bit on the side of the comes to speech in i think i think on this question. young british people here has heard here his position. the numbers. has become interested and apply to be going up this year because he's taking her substantial effort. for that to happen. have we seen no sign of that change. yet. and finally the possibility of another referendum.
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in two fast two thousand and fifteen. it could affect the government's ability tales to kill a favorable. portfolio for as you claim the commission is that not because of the phone. well it's our ability to negotiate and succeed in that you're going to depend on many factors. ability to make alliances on particular subjects and that the committee will observe in the course of its acquiring how we've done that so many voters. you'll financial framework. of course we did that on the change in the rules for the ripping banking. thoughts of that i just described. we do it on a daily basis on a vast range of subjects. and i attended the. i mentioned earlier the foreign affairs council of the you last in brussels where we are dealing with huge questions of policy towards syria. they are a nuclear program. the you military training mission somalia. for instance.
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i didn't detect any change in our ability to get our way all the difficulties on other subjects of a result of our declaration about a referendum in the future. and we are a major player in the european union. and we make our alliances. perhaps range of subjects. i don't believe out of the list. do that will be diminished. you're saying then that the prime minister's speech hasn't got all the european leaders. partisan you're going to call. well i'm saying that they want to work with the european were they want to work with the united kingdom. about for so many of them a set and they made very clear. the french government but the clear that many different people spend the future development of europe have said very clearly that they want to keep britain. in the want to keep united kingdom in the european union and very much the thrust of the comments so the german given i could go through all the the list of minutes to say and political culture the media organizations that are all here.
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around europe who have expressed either some understanding or some sympathy with the prime minister's speech. or certainly expressed that these sorts of results and changes will take place for the benefit of a whole e.u. so the idea. you know wall of hostility that has. so the ideas we took forward i think would be mistaken for saying my capes is the perfect truth here is you can see the interests of the bloomberg speech was a high priest is equal to some might say purity say the pope governmental. and part party political will postpone some twenty twelve to twenty searching for governmental or particular school reasons that i don't want to start with american conceding a hybrid fix up with an accurate.
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parliamentary remark about it i think equal i'm not going to concede any m. pokemon because we didn't fix any data in twenty twelve for this speech and then for spoke. they talked about in the lead here so mostly it's going to be good for you. yeah. i'm not responsible for everything about me. thank you very much support the media say. and there we are as the curriculum the stand. we have quite a lot of things going on hand them full. we gave this of the prime minister gave this speech. when there was a suitable gap between other event. did you expect them to benefit from the polls which and with mexico pretty useless as a result of that speech. but this is a speech about the whole future of europe and the future of the u.k. handmaid doesn't bear any relationship in my view. it doesn't very necessary.
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related not necessary for its bearing a relation to daily or weekly movements and opinion polls. in the u.k. and the conservative party will be very proud and clear about making the case of the next general election on nothing of importance part of our case but polls go up and down the post i never saw that much. trust i'm ok we will see a word to the prime minister said that that long. of november twenty seventh. for negotiating. the new settlements and holding this. you now. it's a referendum. what do they have to be suddenly timescale. for this. not everybody who says they might support a referendum have a time scale and those are problems with endless uncertainty about that november seventh to help way through the next parliament. it's important as people come sit around a general election. or government but they want people about how low.
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reasonable idea. the time scale on which these things will take place. the european commission has talked about floating ideas about changes in the your opinion around the time of the rapidity action. next year. i referred earlier to the commission blueprints on the four presidents report that are called for major three teacher isn't in the coming years. meaning in the next few years. and if you think about it there is a window between both elections and twenty four to the french and german national elections in twenty seven. which is really the window in which such treated to it would be logically discussed. now clearly. if there is to be a negotiation. going to take time. isn't there a case and would the government support the idea that you start talking about its treaty and then the process before. the twenty fifth in general election. that's perhaps for the appointment of the new european commission which i was saying this the in october twenty fourth
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two. so if you get these years more negotiation. so that you could make sure you can get to your twenty seventh and that mark. well of if you look at the time scale of of treaty change your fellow baby. these answer them listen. treated. both time scales are always measured within the effect of speaking of cold air but with less than a year on a hot or low from beginning to complete in some of them less than a year. that is a normal times gail of treaty change. and we welcome the idea that ideas about twitter. can be discussed. from now on. we're putting our ideas were in favor of free to they face. we're at the stage for the prime minister setting out his principles of a lot of chamber discussions launching the
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debate in europe that time to turn back into specific types of this or lego face. clearly it wasn't to be if you're depending on when the last debate. reaches the right point. it's also a commitment for the conservative article after the next general election. so it's not anything to do with us that we would be able to get coalition agreement to start that negotiation people who don't like. well on on any treaty change now begins with for the general election. we will seek to proceed with a coalition agreement. as it happened. that's not what i asked. well. it's part of what you have and they have a pot of water craft. but timescale for the figure it does rather likely are pulled from a debate about three fatalities. is in the twenty fifteen twenty seven ok. syria and that don't happen to coincide with the british people being able to say in a general election.
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approach they would like the u.k. that was going to take over the rotating presidency of the council of ministers. on the first of july twenty second two. can we shooting that the prime minister with which the whole. would any referendum. before we take over that rotating presidency rolls with during this. but at the time your referendum would depend on. of course. when they go to school. completed. and so that for the promises made the comment about the first heart of the tall about not excluding answering. earlier them a second. so we couldn't lucio to have it before we take over the presidency so triumphantly the prime minister can then say we have the preparation with was with. and now we have a lovely presidency rather than. we've got the presidency which is overshadowed by is he going to stay is he going to leave
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or the police people could have arcs. well that could happen. but i'm not i don't want to say we're jumping around particular scenario the pending a lot of a bit. it will depend on the same time a group. they would depend on the timing of the in ago fears of a full set a referendum. called the s.p.l. before the british president zuma second half of twenty seven fifty. but i wouldn't exclude it being held during it would make for a particularly memorable president is going to happen now is it wouldn't care can i take him back to this matter that was referred to earlier the. the walking away of the council in the sense that two thousand and eleven. it's been put to us that actually the best shots as a negotiating and he knew. treaty amendments in britain's interests. was actually at that point.
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with other countries wanted something out of the new treaty. but actually tactically bible king away. that opportunity isn't that the tune with the is now gone because the structure is finished that the scalp selected treats. how do you respond to that. well very clearly. a to point to make them a sponsor one is that we didn't walk away. we know the toted of the european treaties are not part of the e.u. treaties. but we certainly didn't walk away from that meeting with the prime minister attended throughout in the as i remember he and indeed i were in the building well after many others have left the united kingdom did not talk away. but we have ensured the fiscal compact treated not part of the you treated as it stands today. on the question of whether there was an opportunity for a big negotiation the committee will recall that we did look
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forward it most ago session. requests for safeguarding the single market particularly in the financial services and other countries where the pair to agree suppose as part of the negotiation on the fiscal compact. tricked. that fight went ahead with a british wake up. now it seems from that highly unlikely that although they would have agreed to something more than basis for those put across which we went to germany we went from certain we've been elsewhere and had to choose another people in the last two months. which court clear that the can see easy answer only in some european union countries. four major two three challenge was stronger. a year and a hard. two years ago. then it isn't it. and it's clear that we may well given the position we're in where as to which that on rump sectors of that that the. the european union. isn't going to have a significant treaty change in the foreseeable future.
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wouldn't it have been better at the time when there was more recently hasn't for it to come forward with the changes that you want to do that in the roles and have a situation where perhaps you may find that other countries say we're not interested in this so you won't get what you want to do with. well the world. to point out one just to reiterate my last point in the previous and certainly going to lambaste time to relate to the fiscal compact traitor were not prepared to green. to what we regard as kind of mult it with class it's unlikely that they would agree to changes which encompassing all the principles the prime minister says have that moment. the second more important than i think is that. and two thousand the treated changes in the year is not on notice that there's not a straight line. trajectory and. and it will vary from one month to another often it changes in proportion to the extent of perceived crisis
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and main eurozone. and there are in addition to that comes at a ration idea sent out in the four presidents report on the commission blueprint we can evolve a treaty change out into the half we have to have regard to how frequently treated change has been contemplated that made you a recent year. all of those point for the opportunity for pretext and by the opportunity to bring about a sort of turn of the problems of sort of and was not there in december two thousand that the last final question is the in the lessons that we do for the seat in this country. one of the selectors that makes her room in the states. we're both going into an amendment to the troops on the basis that there is a risk that there would there be a referendum which would then reject that and stop the process where that is a democratic congress trade treaty change
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but we're not the only country that again as the committee know. so you can set that is a possibility. well it may it makes treated in this country and several other countries which already have requirements referendums on tickets. and it's subject to demographic content. and back out there think we can. we are all democratically elected politicians. we have run away from democratic vote democratic consent can also come through parliament and democracy comes with a captain but in the case of the european union. that parliamentary democracy have been unusually unresponsive to public comes with have to differ from that much. do you want to come as we know they mean can. i think we're right to set up tone not in the history of the end of the.
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you know country has created an island referendum. and that being said we don't presuppose and relation to a vote on the stand to be to serve as a proxy for the state. what's your assessment of the influence that the united kingdom has neither that decision has been not on the surface to weaken pretty sure in brussels. over the homes. how actually well i want to make the case and i'm pleased to be true looking at some of the comments around the room. that it can enhance our interests. it will be too early dispassionately to make a judgment about last night i'll give you a moment ago in terms of foreign affairs deliberations but certainly doesn't reduce influence. but look at some of the. comments from around europe.
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if you look at the belt for instance on the day of the prime minister speech. they were writing our continent needs a rethink view of excessive bureaucracy. i'm screwed with debt making lack of transparency in democracy. what is needed today is a day. i'm an british accent. so the skull for example britain to lead with i did and i think i get out there are many such questions but i don't think i was with a moment where you however you did say opportunity is the prime minister taking to lead and shape this debate is that that sort of by reform. as about britain remaining in these comments including the ones from angle america great you referred to running to go there some support later. i'm most impressed we would say it is all of them vote. what is what is also reflects in those comments.
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as so many european leaders saying they won't produce a state of the european idea is any doubt about that that it's very clear that it is always trying to come back strong for most of them are not only have public comments but in private come and this is very much. pollution and passionate belief. level. we don't sacrifice our influence by raising legitimate questions sometimes saying the people of britain will be allowed to decide. and people than want to work with us in order to make a success of the of the european union and britain's role within it we shouldn't be afraid of that. but this is universal acceptance. not just in europe but elsewhere that for example president obama joe biden. making a speech at the weekend. it's perfectly clear the united states. he did say this as best a flat six by britain's biggest in the european union and exercise same instruments within the european union is the rest if you personally. tentative.
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that the entrance which we have placed in brussels. and indeed of washington. will be diminished if people think that it is genuine prospect that we are coming. well they've been together up to cult so the answer to that question. first of all. for all the reasons i sat fact. i think leading the debate and advocating the necessary changes. can enhance influence from reduce it. but in any case i don't think we can do that allowing democracy. to happen. is an unacceptable risk. otherwise all kinds of things that we would never ask people a power point about. and we have reached a point in the united kingdom where democratic come sense is being greatly weakened for the european union. and we have to recognize that and deal with that. and we have to do that. whatever the consequences.
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i think it's right to hold the referendum but i don't think in any case that it diminishes out influence in the e.u. or with united states again i haven't detected any new kind of and you know with cousins i've had with the u.s. administration in recent times. what i'm working with down on the consequences of britain coming out. more than will be the debate. now that i friend i'm holding a referendum and trying to seventeen or whatever it can be held and i will be well the debates will be about have surely some considerations been given in the home office. as to what the consequences would be for great britain. was that to be a very thin favour of coming up with a pharmacist to work on those products as i was talking about. they agreed program of the coalition government. i did a full program of what become your colleagues official here will test the problems i should let them to follow i
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don't have the money simply president to get that effect. it's a very poor man to do that job that judgment about a consequence of leaving the european political debate in the future. at the time of a referendum and of course. if the prime minister addressed this in power and his state. when the brief analysis of the speech of the norwegian relationship a place where his relationship with the european when he dismissed them but he pointed out the disadvantages of those relationships made clear in his speech. why he would like to be able to argue for britain. staying in the european union on the basis of a new section. so. and in a cup of course in all the references the people made to the single market and the advantages of being part of that single market. he's also pointing to the disadvantages of any separation from that with such considerations running through the prime
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minister's speech. but an analysis of a marriage begin or i was of the opinion on an improved basis. a for the political debate for the political policies for all concerned. to present to the people in referendum not a response to that they have a person. but the present government is proceeding with the present government policy that another referendum is for a future. cup but that doesn't include any examination of the economic or political consequences of. and i went on so. and any future reference. well it's very hard working a beautiful. officials of the government will analyze this. but we ask them to have a mind. very much ask them to come sitting on the work of free trade and setting the most financial framework and making your home competitive than thirty m. about them but all in favor a lot better sales of my question. yes.
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no such work. considering the implications of jolt. european union. it's being carried out at the bible. we're not doing a parrot free exercise of the smoke. withdrawing from the european union for government isn't. as for a conservative cultist presenting its proposals. next election. like it but lean to the. rich the job of think civil service to you what we're going to analyze and only four kids have already. and it won't are petering out of perfecting. discovery taking any analysis of the consequences. but that on the grounds of this question. some things questions that we are all so i get sentimental in a huge analysis of the balance of competence is revealed
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is in the first of four semesters. which is analyzing an enormously term little role of the you competency effect of the competence. across everywhere and i nationalize time that will come to a conclusion in twenty four to eat that will help inform the debate. that's the right. analysis to be some ducting. that is the question there i know mr campbell were effectively. you are effectively you are preventing oil discouraging or you. the fusion trappin that wishes down. all whether i had with tool a becomes a question about it though it's open to anybody. it's a complex analysis like i'm a fair thing not going to switch up the job of the civil service to work on the read priorities of a government medical they're doing ok. that's a lie and. let's talk about your agenda having.
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the inevitability of some of the measures that are getting taken a particular project will lead to a convergence of interests and particularly the same challenge report and. therefore two different view. of the most important aspects of the european union are you reading again the shape of the currency union address social rhapsodic here in the fort hood characters have played a rap chart which is to market. actually most important thing in the fact that some people have chosen to get so that you know how the dishes are you beginning to see. consequences of. if you come of them to feel pity on her knees xpect that development. to impact all ways you can shake your. well.
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i might have been asked to jump to add because he had so much day appearance of the of those negotiations. but there are several things to say and and dance about of all there's a vigorous debate within the eurozone. about what the big change is me for the evil for the relationship of the eurozone countries. to each other before you from get on to their relationship with those who are not a year of many different views about land and opposed to the choices available for them to make in my view that if there were a painful choices to be made between democratic accountability and sovereignty in their own country. and being able to deal together with some of the challenges of the euro that only they can make those decisions and.
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it hasn't made them in general. caucus on a wide range of other issues. in a way that changes a relationship from say foreign policy. and i will be again with a record for a new thing for me to refer because this is the you're probably referring council i always the telephone the player comes. it would not be possible to determine if someone arrived to observe those meetings without prior knowledge. who was in the eurozone or not in terms of what our policy is on syria or iran or the middle east peace process or any other global issues so it is primarily a financial area. than the euro's relationship with the rest of the european union has changed to some extent. and would change most quickly last while we were to kill or emphasize the negotiation safeguards in that area. for the single market such as the ones i mentioned on the european banking. authority.
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so there is a typical ng about of the officials may know the precise percent expected of me about the number of folks on which the u.k. has to say if you're a bloc of voters who are cancelled. but it's. it's a figure below twenty percent figure order of fifty percent job most time you want to add to this. don't have such a hurry as the phone secretary said. we can see the dimensions of axes on which he said light integrated fiscal economic financial. perhaps they didn't. but it's very uncertain if you look at the outcome of here again councils. how far how fast they will go to any water or this is a lot of agreement to be worked out between the hero countries themselves that. it's not is it. there is a sort of joint pain to plan.
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those that have another those details to be worked out which is what makes the future. so uncertain. had it. in most areas. the alliances that countries make across the different. does here. don't reflect the us. cross the single market we have somebody like. because i straight visited as a culture facially single market foreign policy. justice. he liked is a very different a very talkative specific. thought. holding countries that normally group around what i call the golden economic liberalism. they look to the u.k. sweden denmark. all of them. known here as a country. to be part of those alliances when they. come to supermarket issues issues like trade. and there's no evidence. all the course you know. around that. i did the evidence from the start of the hearings piece of those countries. very much was known your countries have similar mind in the discussions because it has weight and particular u.k.
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because we're a large. and it's going to member states in specific areas the banking union supplies the euro countries are coming together to create a new institution. within the c.b.c. kept had to do something it was bigger individuate of course they're here shoes of pluck floating corpses in a row the site but by the looks of nature as opposed to happen again. but generally speaking one is seeing that happen over here one has to wait to see how they're integration events to know how much it is in the future. sherry. been trading issues the government issue here and there is a lot more water passed by already before tuesday in any plane to creation of your p.p.p. input rolled up the opportunity. that this project is to get what you want to continue give you a.
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well there is a threat. so far it has sorted them in the word we've described but of course they could be much more far reaching changes within the euro zone. and then a result there are a defect. of the prison. for instance a greater threat of caucusing with them and the on a wider range of issues. and so call that an opportunity but there is also a threat to land. the thing i remember sizes of the changes in the euro zone crisis in the us and is only one of the reasons we need the approach the prime minister had to have a more hands of the road when there was a fundamental issue of competitiveness. means we really have to drive a single market come to smoke free trade agreements and an issue of the democratic legitimacy and accountability that means we have to enhance the role of national parliaments make sure our can go back to nation
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states. so that the practice of the is only one of the factors driving their progress prime and said i'm but it's only one of them. all of the. the banking union sent out of range but they've got this show. if you look at the lessons from reading. come back to it's you know we've got something that takes shape protections and pick. things are happening and where is watching the french are pretty isolated. they're trying to pack in two weeks ours or pretend that they really hate what we could wear that has an important. we know what we've been able to come back to give a reason that there is an important difference which is the lead up to the for these proposals are clear for a long time.
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we were dealing with the proposed changes on that european banking. authority of the proposals of a cut in the fiscal compact if they were produced. only in the hours before that particular european council began december two thousand and eleven. here and like a in a that for the. because we faced in december two thousand and twelve on banking union. to form alliances to make a case for amendments to a proposal that others are flacking of well in advance. and we certainly didn't make the alliance a very effectively with countries. inside and outside the euro zone which is in the netherlands island austria sweden bulgaria. czech republic. straddling them. the euro zone. he said i'm a couple. simple majority. arrangement. something that's going to stand the test of time
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when you've just said that your what we call clear the commission grieving to work the political project. never paid to people which that could potentially. apart from if we see your marriage. repeatedly for two walls thick. and then be prevented by the periphery that in doing what i feel is going to be in which tension. well. that could be yes or no and the. it's important for us to recognize as such on of just being on the line is the uncertainty about the future. and this regard it down means. we have to build another many stakeouts as possible. and in addition to the voting system. safeguard where you saw term security. other safeguard friends of the european central bank will be subject to an obligation to ensure that no action
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or proposal. policy that it pursues shall directly or indirectly discriminates against any member state. as a venue for the provision of banking or financial services in any currency and his article one of the regulations. could there be pressure to check. some of the things that we do yes the the voting arrangements friends in this. are meant to be reviewed by the commission. and the council. a player are fewer than full full non-participating member states. the couple pulled back on that want to go to a very small number. and a simple majority of republicans who are outside of it. you have created a new lead for the united kingdom. well. that is again a ballot that means we may have to renew the debate at that time but i think the arrangement we've got right up so far is exactly will take these circumstances.
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and we have sat through the successful negotiation a very good precedent for the future. and that when the european union have to make an arrangement dealing with issues of the euros. than it is right for it to include in that arrangement. the rights and interests of those not yours or any of institutional arrangements that is a very important precedent. and if what i want to answer. ok. for each year. he put it in a single year and that is that he is alive. to allow them to use force. no i don't think any individual investor with any kind of clearly position to assess that our back to the very very good i have to say of working on winning this kind of that kind of arrangement just being talking about and
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and getting a confession of them we need on one subject. for the. it's a very can do attitude and admire them for it. so we haven't done only using all the issues we've been debating a comical. when they came and they come back and said no name is come to the sole purpose of the high school. there is a possibility here might be luck with many for that person work in this case. it's a life. which means that the with like the trash which may be enough to get much. back. but we have an issue with this or that for life. if it's a credible year. at that facility the dynamic. with that forever it's great it's pretty flat rate. it in boulder is a variable to hold.
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integration we believe it's not in a political economic interests all to be able to stand aside from it because that's what we've done in not joining the euro zone. for instance. i'm able to as regards treaty changes we were discussing something to which the act of two thousand and eleven i make an enormous difference to cause such change. and to follow the trends. the any additional powers or comes i subject to democratic control through college of pounds for a friend of ours that all of the other ways in which the european union's institutions sometimes extend their powers. greet the changes in procedure that you digital crete can come from the european court of justice.
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and so it may well be that these are important things to address and making sure that europe is flexible competitor. the power that how a democratic camp better thing called the band's new settlement where no. just being able to be on the principles the prime minister. sam matters for a later stage. just to push it in the course of that. it wouldn't be tested for the person. we need its inception. through which of course she take that you know ground say that foreign aid that we may never get to get up and back but we never get in deeper into the centre in the book. to work with. but we do that in many ways. constantly on posts around the world never mind in the european union. very much a love for competence critique.
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as it is called the european union is serious about it's treated well. so i always have the power to come certainly are picking salad treated them don't go beyond the treatise and so we do vigorously and generally successful a contest for instance in multilateral organizations. at first. sometimes by the european commission to take over any of the responsibilities of member states. that is an example for less true of our polls is as a whole we always cover galvin all that goes here and to ensuring the there is no change of competence. without duty to discussions on without the approval of parliament city. to present any. and as you pointed out who the geisha might look like. what the real bad luck.
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and then take it what with which the state by city and play the game. we'd love to help or to hear from that that too much to clean up. well they vary enormously. how i think you can think that. first of all those red lines are not. current play defense because the whole process of for the treaty change has to begin. secondly red lines also move even though them and they wreck. even in including europe in the give charity. and there was a lot of support i was pointing out earlier for that kind of a rethinking the kind of new thinking the prime minister is presenting to the europeans to come so i don't think any country is really taking the position that. they have such a red line they want britain to leave european union.
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challenges to succeed here and the whole idea of the single rocket. we we looked at that and some of the think about it it's ready doesn't see a free trade area. very think that it's hard to have to make the people the facts that should see if we cannot come to the malaysian part of education for fourteen point four five percent increase. we need people to fill the station unpleasant things. well told of the free movement to the fruit of the free movement all further photocells in the success of the european union. and that means all capitals. means of labor. as well as of goods and services. there is much more to be done. the way i see it is a much more to be done in several areas particularly and services particularly in may so called digital single market.
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one of our main priorities in the coming years agreed to this is a green coalition i map. i hope agreed across the whole of the british we want more consistent implementation of the services director. live version of services and trade across the borders. we're on the completion of the single market for boosting cross border. commons. we want to make sure the rules don't limit growth by placing a necessary but some businesses and indeed one of the things we secured in recent because syrians if they examine a very small businesses from the new regulations. they use all those sorts of priority is apple moment. and so it's not just about terrorists. it's about making it easier to do business in many different ways to some pretty
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and a concession pleasant assisted him you have to think for the markets. cleaning related in sort of that part of britain's state that happened you know for questions from that statement in court about that it will stop with the free movement of work at the port and but of course and. and in my view in our part is view that. that doesn't require an effect like the harmonization no uniformity of social an employment laws that some people. wishful or indeed the uniform or to that comes from some provisions being brought in by a back door such as a working time directive. don't believe that a single market requires such things to be imposed a beautiful way. there are ways in which the was going too far and i think what the caucuses ish. and that the government has said here in recent months has quite a lady thought. he said that they seem to say.
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well the problem with me here is that we're gays and that poor trade will be affected. that's a fact that this is a rare. night something at that. he really involved here that if they met him at least what's left the part of this what's what the real for the love of the process for him and the positive vision which is there in the prime minister's speech. and also there in my wallet or a further comment of my own speech of twenty third of october and eleven. we were in the living but not in the ring the actual premises for the delivering the speech a man who might still need to read a while ago that we own the free trade this is a very important part of it kind of opportunity for employers
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and prosperity that the single market. brain. but is it mold and that. after all we do make an impact on world affairs. when we close the same time to have a tough on iran. on stopping purchases of syrian crude oil or i'm favoring a peace process. in the middle east. and we can help countries across north africa by having a coherent policy. together on how we're going to work with them economically and politically. how we can make sure the problem through further to in his speech that we are nation states cooperating. supporting european values and european civilization. and the in the world. so there is. and i'll be mothered more to it than a free trade area. if you like. nevertheless it has to work in a way that is consistent with the prosperity of the people of those countries with them being able to keep up in the global economic a race with democratic accountability and decisions being made on the right level so these are all things we've got to get right despite all those many
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merits of nation states operating together the problem is the sabbath and few of those cooperative nation states in that framework as an alternative to the ever closer union. have accounts for so long. being an article of faith and your. if you knew nothing of the right way to think back to john berman. ten point like a descendant with the right answer take him referendum now i'm suggesting we practiced nations cup before wouldn't understand the beyond the realm looking out over get stuck. can i just criticize because this baffles prime minister six feet. i put it struggling with the good in the federal all visits to the european capitals. direction of travel of those who lack. the solution to the crisis. more your only complete school integration.
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so we wish the promise of well in its nicosia age. but we also met. official in the schools said whatever the short some successes and whatever the short list was a longer time. i think to do is a call having more towards union in order to make money with coming to grips and a very small how to call it within the e.u. in other words up has been to say the exclusive club is not feasible. longer. but that is more than can describe to us what your commons. why how would you refute that. well. if they are going to pull back many questions and perhaps post the first thing. first of all the assumption that they those outside the eurozone will live a very small number. there are ten of them.
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at the moment. although there are many countries that have a all tab legally from the obligation to join the euro zone. there are many others. i don't open any position or not willing to do so in a near also see it for future. so i think. we are some additional of those i was suddenly earth and i'm just reduced to a very small but right now we're all there out of date a sudden proceeding along the tram lines of thinking of ten years. or all of them now in the life of the financial crisis to euro zone crisis. and so on and secondly i would say that again as the world has changed over the last decade. that kind of our givens the prime minister has been and dancing for foot to europe to take urgent action. to be more competitive complex below gaining ground over time and then had a good reception across many countries
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and telling the sun the committee with many things in european capitals. everything goes in one direction towards greater integration. but there are some very supportive your comments.. as a general secretary of the german c.s.u. said he said whoever comes out and wholesale cameron's ideas for a national referendum on your fans distress towards europe with if you're a title away from people or the need for reform the. the leader of the speedy the governing liberal party. cameron hit a nerve pain may many things with the full strength single signal markets no ever closer union those superstate great. he said you can characterize cameron's speech an extended version of the euro passage in the dusk evolution agreement. so it does a pen with capitals in which people which party to which you were given we could both of those of the locations are from governing pompous in the inside you
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and i can buy from to get out of that we can because the old quote from but i thought coming to congress back to government action. in the position in the sense that was of taking porch light. we know who was doing good at the country. good. blame it on under-representation means that. we need to be better at our attitude to offer and that glimmer of openness. i mean you can see its results in the end of last year the bank of success the bank. which suggests that the make more support rich we can stretch have. how we can together now. construct in the alliance. to achieve the goals we want. this is a very very important point. and we have intensified our efforts to build. what really has to be a network of overlapping alliances around here because of course over lines are different on each subject and i'll add that john has mentioned there is a you can think of a kind of north of little liberal in the economics at
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nations but even they will differ among themselves on. various questions but on the banking union i listed. some of the countries with whom we fought in a lie and some of those generations to come to that to go see it successfully. and the committee can see it on the budget on the multi-channel financial framework because he asians that in the november council we work very closely with germany the netherlands. sweden denmark. there are other issues. for instance on particular in europe a common foreign and security policy and on something that such as the hope of coming now in mali were the military training mission. premises. close his color we are back closer to the time of bail. do it. and we gave our would say over the last couple of years must increase the tension to the smaller states will be the not
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only through the end of activities of our very good. embassies but ministers. the minister for europe david livingston. it's the first year of minister abdullah who has been to all of the state of the to every capital in the european union in fact he's now well on his way on the second last. no but it doesn't matter of course in them from people picking an enlarged and.. we spend a great deal of time with the foreign ministers of small european states when they come here to the u.k. so we're very conscious of the need to build alliances on each subject and we will be on the approach to future free tickets a prime minister. rightly or wrongly intensely normal. and create the impression that at the end of the renegotiate. whatever that name problem. he will see. he's prime minister. supporting the in can.
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i put to you conflict he could we have created clarity as to where all our bread lines. as well as a couple cents for the woods. prime minister. way back to when it came to me to get. where is that red line with regards to successful trade from the government. it's too early to speak of red lines. we've lost a discussion. faces of the principal the prime minister's sap where not the state at all of a details. negotiated. which is more the time for the big red line and then in any case. we must have an idea of what we want to renegotiate and what we want to call back by way of the prices that we might have something to write. you wouldn't get into in the gauge reaction to the happened. and i guess we're not our job today going to let me go up today we're going into the multi-channel financial for a much
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bigger sessions. and of course. i'm such a negotiator we have our red lines it's important to note however that in most successful negotiations such as the ones i've been talking about. we don't publish the red line. that doesn't help necessarily bring about her success filmmaker fareed. so i'm not sure what we would be able to answer in detail that. quite a bit but the. but. but the first thought of your question was about what would turn a prime minister the way we will you will have to use our judgment. at the time. we say you said and i said our intention is to out our plan is to prove the relationship of european union be able to campaign a referendum for britain's a state within a couple of calls we will use our judgement at the time. what happens if we get a concerted well then we will certainly have to use our judgment. at the time. but we can only say i think so many areas of politics or the are intended a policy side
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or that is true of so many after all it's a public setting out an approach to government and the next problem finding parts like take any really good shape and you can position. will we be seen to say. i was seeking said capable. move. something more. i spoke with the service in that it was a struggle feeling that the single market. board of the lane proposed still come with the troops in iraq. many here. and this is how. our main aim is to what i was describing the digital mouth care services. directive is to deepen the single market to drive it further. in many areas. and many of them would have called conflicts forgotten away from any particular position from. q and the unanimity.
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but i know they're doing on the i'm not signing on that as i said in the early onset it. detailed approach to negotiate back and in the come at a later stage so i don't want to exclude anything at this fact. thanks to john standing for exactly are you satisfied. legally. and i stress legally is open to the british government to go to our fellow the e.u. member states. and say that we want to carry out a fundamental renegotiation of the terms of our membership and our new deal with is the e.u. as a government without first having given a chance. and on the article fifty of the treaty that we wish to leave the e.u. well. whatever we have to do legally we will do believe most of the new certainly been having those in the context of treaty
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change in different ways in european some treaty change is needed by other members of the european union. we're not the only. looking for treaty change. but whatever we need to do legally in order to carry out the political program never took four for conservative politics. or to carry forward than any governmental or responsibilities. we will do that. or take charge to play a key legal point. you haven't been able to answer that question for sizing i've come five hundred pound that could have the answer to my question in writing subsequently please. well it will happen to elaborate on the writing but this is a question for the future. and so giving any notice about anything doesn't arrive at the moment. but we will implement any legal responsibility is of course a noticeable carry em town.
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and a photo commitment of elect to the next election. happy to elaborate on that. thank you i'm asking you formally if you could give the answer to the committees to well i under the terms of the existing treaty u.k. which is to carry out a substantial of negotiation. of the terms of its teaching membership. it first has to give notice. but the contents of the the e.u. under article fifty. we have to get we will send you some formal advice from thank you. a second question i want to put you assess. as you know we had a slight travel to match the major capitals in europe and. i would say that the broad view that we have had is that this happily is i'm certain that the member states would like us from maine and e.u. member states. but i would say in unanimously. is been said to us that they we will try to be accommodating to a limited degree to the u.k. as to martin's.
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there is absolutely no prospect of the u.k. being able to cherry pick the actually to have the e.u. treaty. a lot of cops. do you agree that is the case. and if so why is the government holding outage. expectations. that's a substantial lead to case haitian of the terms of our membership. having the e.u. a lot of heart is actually a powerful policy option. well only alex cullen test and they are for use already on the rocks from when people leave their dishes in many different combinations. and we know from some countries in the euro zone and some apps some in the shang in arrangements and some and we've had the maidment band for the green recently the patron cult. but that's twenty five trees now. twenty seven. the justice and home affairs are a month supply and a different way of the sedan mountain island in the united kingdom.
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so it's already quite a complex. makes up and and and some people define our car. but clearly this is a region in many different combinations. if we want to think of it as a menu. that's already like case. and it's also the case that treaty change has happened in recent years the world all comes in place that only a few years ago. power rapidly the european scene is changing. and many of the factors that i'm describing early will only intensify the pressure from european competitiveness. for this will only intensify and not cover the treadmill but them of the problem. democrat. dismissing that you will only intensified over the coming years. and therefore i don't think we should be held back from putting the case for water is fundamentally
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and this sensually of the interest of this country and the whole of the european union. just because suddenly people but not everyone across the european union. so the world necessarily want to go along with that whole section he would agree. he doesn't get to come down to some around the world agree. surely that's the anyway. in which the teaching to search for government wants. and i think most of us feel and want to see carried out.. that would prove the relationship of the e.u. and the k. can only be achieved by the you. not on the supreme and of all the e.u. member states that creature and user may come through anonymous agreement. that is right. but our articles. figure changes. sought by other countries that require our participation. to kind of this agreement. and indeed there are several many things that have already have it there the we can only we can look most usefully of
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recent examples we have done during this committee session such as the negotiations on the banking. arrangements. those are required unanimous agreement but i have been successfully concluded to safeguard the interests of united kingdom. in a totally new way that nobody would have come from places. just a few years ago. on secretary. and you'll be aware that the group called a fresh start group for produce to manifest if we change. and said had what they called a new vision for the in europe. and you richard the forward for it and describe it is well researched well considered document for the powerful ideas. to bridge the church in europe. and then went on to say to many the proposals are already government policy. some. well become future government or conservative party policy. and some may require further thought could be afraid scribes covering all bases. strictly correct. but it is on the last phrase some may with clients
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or the thought it could you sort of give us a steer towards a document which once you had in mind the written that phrase that we're covering all bases are so effective. also not specifically attached to any specific proposed. i'm not going to have a good thing if you're the cherry picking. pick the individual lot. but clearly there are measures in that though there are suggesting then there are about deepening and furthering the single market. and which are very much in line with what i've just been describing of the thrust of government policy. but there are others the fall into the more the catheter that with the baron has been asking about the specific items that would need to be negotiated in the future in treaty changes. and those we have not yet committed ourselves to government. baseball into the category of further thought or possibly future. policy but i am.
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i don't want to give you a checklist against them and that very good important recall the did write the forward for its own presume that you need had a good look at them. i absolutely had a good look and headed hos general categorize oceans are a can absolutely true. come to him to on the disease of the group on the common agricultural policy. i'm happy to give my views on the common agricultural not in a minute but this is the. but i'm not i'm not really a lot. go through every proposal and say well even though in reality you know it i want to get involved in too. but by all means. i'm john berman. possums you've raised. think that by planning to hold as well. with be strengthening your the case you have to look at times have to because ultimately when the land be strengthened the more. if the legislation will go to school this whole point is that sam stein.
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doing that because it's a serious man. we negotiating with decision. then. we all may be prime minister coming into play of a difficult not impossible. difficult to repeal of the station play that formal decision. this. i promptly put in the competition. agreement isn't even with same sex marriage. well it's not in the coalition even the co-chairman does have a section begin with your no european policy. and of course. different from any conscience or free float. issue. in the local to pass it through the house of commons would require you to pass it's just those on. for the government to put it forward of the governments and so they are expect. asked. through parliament would require coalition support that call out of the prime minister's speech their commitment to a
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referendum is a conservative politics proposal not a coalition. proposal but it open to our colleagues in the coalition to favour the same policy if they wish to go to the opposition to favour the same policy of mr but i think the. the floor as things stand and the argument about puts mr chairman is that there is no majority committed to pass it through the current. i'll take a point that the coalition. liberal democrats will have it. but there are many on both sides. i do support. and so are the support may be that the numbers may be that are actually possible on now. if you come in there's no downside. and. so i still haven't heard a good reason not to bring the legislation or whether the have the around a political debate. so much to get a shaking his head that he had no and mr brown was asserting it for the past parliament
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and that certainly illustrates the point. i can see that much are taking this at this moment. sam. what i would say about your easter. we have editor of the needs testament that she might be an obstacle to the person. if you do with case anything within the framework of the current given community who need it some places that supports this is that what you got to suppress people.. if i'm playing difference with courage from what the bringing or the put it in some way. made in the that the p.k. well as it is that they're completely free trade agreement is something we want the european union to do and for them to participate in those. i don't think he sings. and then it does the rest and the energy of the people.
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could it be something distinct from the current thread or the some of that thing that puts another player at the super sensitive. new relationship. we're. well fed certain. again what we set out of the moment is principles and it said very much part of our argument of the european union is changing an important way and ended up the place to belittle some countries to participate in other some arrangements while others don't come to spectrum is likely to get a break and then it's a positive with desirable thing on the. given what would otherwise be the. strains on the opinion of a one size fix. fitful follows a cross the border. that is a desirable. development so. the european union will keep it bowling.
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it should also be a european union with many momentous in the future. we remain very supportive of the. i was think it is vital to reap sutures of the countries of the west of balkans to be able to join the e.u.. with strong champions in this country. turkey joining the e.u. now i don't think those things change it is fundamental nature but they will require is continuing with all the european union. twenty twenty five and i look very different and structures of power in that geographic expand. and hopefully it will look quite different and its ability to compete in its democratic candidate than it does today with civic and principle in the reading of this it relates the purple presents. particular part of the program up here. the way that it is that we can move that process to see the other way the. we haven't ruled anything out but the problem is this piece out of it was discussing with the main.
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at this stage the disadvantages of those things that there is no single market. to exist and i'm there all the arrangements that apply for norway and switzerland would have a vision of this advantages in respect of the united kingdom. and in any case there are aspects of the. when i was being asked to vote when you were asking actually right members if it was after me earlier to set out the other attributes to european union which we believe because the successful. they go beyond the fingal market. so. so i don't want that there is not there isn't a totally different. structure. totally different basis to be your opinion. even in the setting out here where setting out principles already told to the european union that with allow it to recommend to the party. people that we stay for the next.
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who has to keep you here that you're breaking the right thing that patients in the first place. and they hope to play. this is what their life. again. is there a danger that respects three steps in that they can get the huge amount. more than where the pull up and tell you this thing is that they have their successes in that and the situation less. when the referendum becomes a conscious at all. well it will be up to them what they think the time. but i don't think we're raising of the wrong expectations we're setting out why europe means reform. what principles of reform should be based on. we're not able know what if it why is this moment to set out how to negotiate a shopping list. so we're not raising expectations that anything that could live on not shopping us will be agreed on also agreed at
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this moment we're not on that stage where the stage of launching the debate. and i think people welcome that debate i may well come on the whole the knowledge that they will be able to cast a vote in the future. i don't think we've said any unrealistic expectations going on with this is the president when you've got that. your new the proposal. what sort of the would she be determining your in the way that. like with the states that they would see what happened and took forty percent. referendum and. what for that is what clay. here it which is the place like. well i think. whether we have. whether we will be able to say that you're fitting a few you need a future will be more democratic and the power will be unable to flow to nation states. in some instances not just toward the center.
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and that is being operated family to all comes and including those outside. certain structures such as the euro zone. and then we welcome the ability to do what we need to do to allow them to compete in the most intensely competitive global economic environment. and the flexibility for the e.u. various we've all probably in the future. if we can say those things. well then we will be in a good position with the british people and have done a great service to this country. of angel. taking back soon to start for the promise of speech in the way to share with the fourteen provinces question just chaired quietly by his own charlotte. i think i talked to one or two concepts back to talk about the potential p.r.
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people some covered by one of the project that they would you would have to pour kept in the opinion polls related party got to take a position. i've known a very political considerations where you're into the problems of our very way to break free. it's just that text. interesting. it's called them totally adam's mind to like a public transportation consent happens on such a regular basis and that is a matter of the same to us and his colleagues have rodman may be. but this is i believe very strongly that baby. paul two is that i have the chance to see them are in the interests of the you and of the united kingdom. and i'm not taking the lead to a great. afficionado opinion polls. public attorney for jim.
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so if you get attention for him. i couldn't honestly tell you actually around him. all the time on a map that ever happened to me nor the kill to the regime of the foreign office and i'm sure not of the commentators were committed in writing that record all the time in the first seventy in the didn't exist. we created. and you can tell it for yourself maybe having two hour press it has come across. well i wouldn't created exactly as it is today. because i would want to take a look more like the. the answer i just go to mr stewart. and have actually paid. but i wouldn't be. it was a creation of something that allows the european countries to work together in all the ways of describing should
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be happy to work and couple of serious questions me on to place what wanted. do you see role. to national parliaments. in restructured your. yes a stronger a much stronger ireland i think that obviously parliamentary views on this are particularly relevant and important i think. strengthening democratic accountability through the national parliament is very important. now that it has a what you got in mind well this is for all to develop. but for instance we have the yellow card system the orange card system and these are not much use in columns around the e.u. and. i think many parliaments would welcome a strengthening of fans and visit. and i think it's important to look at ways in which national calling them terry and scan the more readily involved in european a fast as the european parliament has taken on more power.
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actually people around you have felt more distant from ironically from european institutions the prime focus of democratic accountability remains. the national politics of hope every country actually and not just of the united kingdom. and so we need to find a stronger role for national parliamentarians in llanfair as of the e.u. i think those of the directions that we should make you a sermon by ten to fifteen new to you. negotiations have been initiated. would you initiate treaty new gauge nations. after to just leave you with a form of government the prime minister said in his speech that all that while there was a widespread expectation an advocacy of treaty trade. but if you know what other free to rose of my coming years then of course we would embark on a on our own negotiations
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our own bilateral negotiations. thank you that's very helpful indeed and. thank you very much indeed concept we take usage on standing much appreciate you taking time from the seas. thank you put it in the pieces. for her questions to the search just a business innovation and skills. how do you build when. number one please mr speaker the speaker. the number of women in work is high that in a time in british history. we propose a new system a shared parental even extending the right track question that's been working for all workers which will. for the permit female participation in the work. workplace for increasing flexibility and choice but also committed to see more women in senior positions in u.k. top companies. initially focusing on board. representation.
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at the board when is the speaker did you know that in the last tax c.n.n. paid ninety two billion pounds in income tax. where women pay thirty six point eight billion pounds which is sixty percent lower and. normally i'm in favor of lower income taxes but in this case. could the secretary of state. explain to me what else he's doing that would help. equalize this. i most importantly bring in an extra fifty five billion pounds to the executive. well first of all i'd like to pay tribute to the work that he's done through her charity working families and promoting shared parental leave her and her work in the finance sector. female participation. of course it isn't and solely a problem that women are paying less income tax indeed. and raising the tax threshold. will help. low paid women in particular to pay less tax which is one of our objectives but participation. promotion rising to the top in business is king objective of our policy
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and it will produce the equality which a stripes four years ago more. i thank you speak it sexist you know words buckelew posts that are one of the things that are really low in the workforce is cost of childcare. the secretary of state. no regrets decision to support their adoption in child. tax credits. when he now be pushing for that to be reversed. well the government is supporting women with young children and families in general particular about five billion. as a consequence of the childcare and then tax credits as early years free tuition which is great extended there she knows two two year olds. of low income families. and as a result of tax relief on employer scheme it's a very very substantial support for child care of us mcgovern. thank you mr speaker. of course the number of women in the workplace has been increasing for some time.
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but in where all those women public service. faced with the threat of redundancy and women leaders of small business. tell me that. cook too literal counsel are really threatening their job security. well this next tuesday going to be to his colleague in the communities and local government department and ask them to rethink their approach. of the had some of the heaviest cook. fully in place but maybe it's. it's not a good one. people leave their jobs and i would always regretted that because the simple fact is that in what all i was in other parts of the country. the number of jobs lost in the public sector the local and national government is far far outweighed by the jobs created in the private sector by over a million and over the last two years. he might get a subsidy mixing with pressures fake our own group questions to and twelve. figures from the bank of england sure that between january two thousand and eleven december two thousand and twelve lending to businesses for u.k. banks increased in six months. and decreased in the others.
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the government of the bank of england are working to increase lending across the economy. through the funding for lending scheme and the new business plan by gates speaker. over the last two years. net lending. has gone down by twenty eight. billy graham. what's the stick to state doing. apart from his. various failing piecemeal in this just piecemeal initiatives which actually don't get to the nub of the problem. which is a lack of consumer confidence. and that finally of the banks because of the olympic criteria to lend adequately. what's going to do that. about that saw that in two years five you have a better record. certainly there is a serious issue which harry frequently refer to when the client in that lending to be says it genuine problem. and the government schemes in a variety of ways we can leave congress supported about seven billion of net lending.

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